Douglas McCombs and Charles Rumback discuss their band Black Duck and new self-titled debut album, jazz, punk, and freedom, the Slint/Tortoise connection, why producers like J Dilla are really influential for drummers, improvisation and composition, Bill MacKay’s guitar playing, working with John Hughes III, Cheap Trick and Superchunk, Seven Bridges, Black Duck shows, a Tortoise album update, other future plans, and much more. Supported by you on Patreon, Pizza Trokadero, the Bookshelf, Planet Bean Coffee, and Grandad’s Donuts. Support Y.E.S.S. and Black Women United YEG. Follow vish online.